Planning Commission Can't Decide On Solar Panels

At its meeting on June 9, the Planning Commission was unable to make a decision on the application by Robert and Tracee Karaffa for the installation of solar panels on the roof of their house within the historic distric. Jack Burris was not present for the meeting and the commission voted 2 to 2 resulting in "no action taken" on the application.

Application #08-54: Submitted by Robert and Tracee Karaffa, for property located at 311 North Pearl Street. The request is for architectural review and approval of solar panels to be located on the southern roof exposure. The property is zoned Suburban Residential District-B (SRD-B) and is located within the Architectural Review Overlay District (AROD).

The nine solar panels have already been installed.

At the June 9th Planning Commission meeting, on a vote to approve the application, Gina Reeves and Jack Burriss voted to approve and Tim Ryan voted against the application.

At this meeting, Lyle McClow and Tim Ryan voted against and Gina Reeves and Tom Mitchell voted for. The 2 - 2 tie resulted in no action taken.

The assistant Law Director was unable to say what the Karaffa's options are at this point, but presumbably they can appeal this lack of decision to the Village Council. Council could then decide.

The Planning Commission members seemed to agree that Council should change the law to permit solar panels. However, permitting these modern structures within the historic district will certainly alter the look of the district.

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During Old Business, two applications were not heard:

Application #08-44: Submitted by Ed and Donna Jenkins for their property located at 327 North Pearl Street. This application was withdrawn.

Application #08-47: Submitted by Sherry Russell, on behalf of Centenary United Methodist Church, located at 102 East Broadway (Methodist Church). This application was tabled until the June 14 meeting at the request of the applicant.

During New Business, the Planning Commission unanimously approved each of the following applications:

Application #08-56: Submitted by Sharon Joseph, for the property located at 115 North Prospect Street. The request is for a change of use from Category “E”: Retail Outlets to Category “C”: Business and Professional Offices, specifically for an insurance office. The property is zoned Village Business District (VBD) and is located within the Architectural Review Overlay District (AROD).

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Application #08-57: Submitted by Melissa Hilton, property owner is Sharon Joseph, for the property located at 115 North Prospect Street. The request is for projecting wall sign. The property is zoned Village Business District (VBD) and is located within the Architectural Review Overlay District (AROD).

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Application #08-58: Submitted by Melissa Engel, for the property located at 317 East Elm Street. The request is for architectural review and approval of a rear yard six foot privacy fence. The property is zoned Village Residential District (VRD) and is located within the Architectural Review Overlay District (AROD).

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Application #08-59: Submitted by James Hartzler, for the property located at 203 North Plum Street. The request is for architectural review and approval involving replacement of a concrete sidewalk with a brick paver sidewalk in the front yard. The sidewalk is a private sidewalk. The property is zoned Suburban Residential District-B (SRD-B) and is located within the Architectural Review Overlay District (AROD).

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Application #08-60: Submitted by Doug and Becky Wagner, for the property located at 222 South Main Street. The request is for freestanding sign. The property is zoned Village Business District (VBD) and is located within the Architectural Review Overlay District (AROD).

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Thanks for the details on why solar...

Tracee (if I may be so informal):

You've taken a comprehensive approach and are to be applauded. Some people talk about saving the environment. You have taken major steps and invested much money to reduce your environmental impact. Thank you.

You didn't ask for feedback on your choices, but I can't resist. My feedback is in bold.

1) living in a small house, with just the space we need. - This is fantastic and probably the #1 thing. I wish more people would do the same. Less to heat, furnish, maintain. Lower taxes.

2) flourescent lightbulbs - good for the environment and very cost effective.
3) efficient appliances, including a high efficiency furnace. - Great move
4) no central air conditioning - You are a brave soul, but with thoughtful closing of the curtains, a few fans, and perhaps a window AC unit, you should be fine.
5) wood burning fireplace insert - renewable and beautiful. Some issues with CO2 and soot, but I'm supportive.
6) a yard with very little grass to mow - I'm jealous. We mow about 3 acres. I like the open space and freedom to run around, but it is terrible from an environmental perspective.
7) rain water collected from the roof to water the garden - Very good. Old ways are sometimes best.
8) steel standing seam roof with lifetime guarantee - You'll never have to replace it and your roof is beautiful. I also like the sound of rain on a metal roof.
9) hardi board siding with lifetime guarantee and lifetime paint - Hardi board is a great long term solution to siding houses. Expensive up front, but little or no maintenance.
10)new insulation, installed when new siding was installed. - Thank you. If someone's home is under insulated, this is very likely the best thing to start with. (Full disclosure - I work for Owens Corning at the S&T center in Granville.)
11)generator purchased after the ice storm because i "never wanted to be that cold again" - but it is very noisy, very dirty and very environmentally unfriendly, so we will only use it in extreme emergencies. - We also bought one after the big storm. Ours is a 15KW that starts automatically when we lose power and runs on propane. We lose power about 10 times a year. We have electric heat and are on well / septic, so without electricity things get unpleasant in a hurry. Hauling water from the pond to flush toilets isn't fun.
11) ride bikes to work when weather allows Exercise, cheaper, and great for the environment. Please ride safely and wear a helment.

Here are some things that we have done to try to be more environmentally responsible
* Installed a geothermal heating system last year. It also has the hot water assist.
* When we bought our property in 1991, we bought 10 extra acres that was landlocked and in pasture. My wife and I planted a few thousand trees on this property in the early 90s'. Now we've got about 5 acres of new woods where it was pasture.
* Replaced 17 year water heater, 3 year old dishwasher, and 20 year old refrigerator with more energy efficient models one.
* Had a 0.4 acre pond dug. (Given the diesel used to dig it this might have been a negative, but it sure is nice and gives birds and fish a place to live.)

response to Chris Hawkins

Thanks Chris for all you are doing. Maybe Granville needs to hold a forum on how we can all be more green and more independent? The options are a little different in the country vs. town; whether or not there is acreage or a well or natural gas availability....There are so many more things we could be doing that haven't been discussed at all, both on the individual and on the community level!
And, yes we do have a room air conditioner for really bad days, and ceiling fans in every room. I do wear my helmet. Thanks again! Tracee

higher cost, less power

higher cost, less power

That was my guess

I suspected that was the case.

Thanks.

Granville Sunshine

Nospin's comments about "supposed" global warming reveal who has the real "agenda." I hope the Karaffas don't let the vocal bellyaching of a right wing kook or two get them down. The many people I've talked to overwhelmingly support your effort and investment to bring solar power to the Village. We admire what you're doing.

The Village zoning code doesn't seem to mention solar power at all. This is an example of an early adopter bringing a new issue to the table. If the Village zoning law's silence means it isn't currently legal, fear not. The Village Council will change the law, and the path will be clear for future solar panels. You will have cleared the way not only for yourself, but for others as well. Thanks for making the world a better place one roof at a time.

Global Warming and Al Gore Notwithstanding

Dr. Karaffa,

To my knowledge no one is opposed to allowing you your views on global warming and your means to mitigate any such damage you may cause due to your use of fossil fuels, et al. Even though it is now documented that global warming alarmist Al Gore recently spent 10% MORE on fossil fuel consumption even after installing solar powered extravagances to the tune of $500,000. Point being, the jury is still out on any cost / energy savings from such devices.

The real issues are that you installed the panel without permission from the regulatory district you have chosen to live. Ignorance of said law is not a valid argument. You can always apply for a retroactive variance, which brings up point number two: Living in the Architectural Review Overlay District (AROD) you have to meet 4 criteria. Not 3, not 2, not one. In fact, if you fail to meet any of the 4 criteria, your solar panels can be denied. So, with that in mind here are the criteria:

The purpose of the Architectural Review Overlay District is to preserve and encourage good architectural styles within the Village, reflecting the distinct phases of the Village's history. Therefore, in addition to the other requirements of this Zoning Ordinance, all applications for Zoning and Architectural Permits in the Architectural Review Overlay District which propose new construction, exterior modification and/or structural alteration shall be subject to review by the Planning Commission to determine that the proposed new construction, exterior modification or structural alteration:
(a) Is stylistically compatible with other new, renovated and old structures in the Village District.
(b) Contributes to the improvement and upgrading of the historical character of the Village District.
(c) Contributes to the continuing vitality of the District.
(d) Protects and enhances examples of the physical surroundings in which past generations lived.

Personally, I think you're 0 for 4, but I still respect your right to do to your home whatever you want - within reason. You just picked the wrong part of the village to live. Historical districts are difficult, and for good reason. If everyone were allowed to add things to their house based on personal political views, we'd have all sorts of wild stuff going on. Sadly, your solar panels represent a Pandora's Box for everyone else in the AROD district.

Imagine a firm believer in personal protection building a gun turret to ensure the safety of his family from outside intrusion. Outlandish? Yep. But Pandora can get out of control sometimes.

By the way, when the power was out most of the day last weekend, I had power to. My natural gas generator kicked on immediately and kept my family comfortably cool, watching the US Open.

Al Gore is way over the edge, but...

I would agree that Al Gore is way over the edge on how to deal with any global warming, but I think the village council can decide to change the law to allow a rational distinction between skylights and solar panels. It seems reasonable for reasons other than Gore's over the top global warming push to allow the use of solar energy devices.

But all I know for certain is I am jealous of both NoSpin's and Dr. Karaffa's relative independence from Ohio Power.

"Right Wing Kook" ot

solar panels in granville

I just want everyone to know that, when the power was out last weekend in Granville for several hours, we had power. That’s because we are an “electric power production facility” according to our contract with the “Ohio Power Company.” When the sun is shining, we are producing more power than we can use, and that power is fed into the grid for our neighbors to use. This is power, produced in the Ohio, with no pollution, with no dependence on foreign governments and no reliance on corporations making obscene profits. It’s easy to see that solar and other renewable energy sources are not like sky lights or other architectural changes some compare them to. The only slippery slope we are in danger of initiating is that slope leading to energy independence and the end of global warming.
Tracee Karaffa 311 N. Pearl St.

I appreciate your commitment to reducing global warming and...

Would you be willing to explain why you chose to install solar panels? Many options exist for reducing greenhouse emissions and/or reducing reliance on the power grid. I'm curious about why you chose solar panels vs. more insulation, upgrading to more energy efficient appliances, buying a generator, etc. I'm not suggesting your decision was ill-advised. I simply seeking understanding.

What is the maximum KWH your system is capable of producing?

What is the estimated yearly production of electricity?

Thanks to Granville and reply to "why Solar?"

Thanks to the citizens of Granville who overwhelmingly expressed their support for solar panels in Granville, even in the Architectural Review Overlay District. Our job has just begun. Now that we have official approval for our solar panels, we need to work toward upgrading our Granville ordinances to encourage solar power, and other "Green" opportunities. In response to Christopher Hawkins questions (thanks for using your real name), installing solar panels was only one small part of our overall plan. Here is a list of some of the choices we've made:
1) living in a small house, with just the space we need.
2) flourescent lightbulbs
3) efficient appliances, including a high efficiency furnace.
4) no central air conditioning
5) wood burning fireplace insert
6) a yard with very little grass to mow
7) rain water collected from the roof to water the garden
8) steel standing seam roof with lifetime guarantee
9) hardi board siding with lifetime guarantee and lifetime paint
10)new insulation, installed when new siding was installed.
11)generator purchased after the ice storm because i "never wanted to be that cold again" - but it is very noisy, very dirty and very environmentally unfriendly, so we will only use it in extreme emergencies.
11) ride bikes to work when weather allows
All these things were done before solar panels were installed.
There is so much more we could be doing, but this is a start.
Our solar power system is a 1683 watt grid interactive PV system. Our yearly production is yet to be seen, but we estimated our system would pay for itself just before the 20 yr. warranty ran out, based on Sept. 2007 electricity prices - since the prices are going up, the pay off is getting better all the time.

The Granville Sentinel has invited all of us to submit our ideas on what we are doing to save energy and reduce our carbon footprint. We invite the conversation! Please join in! thanks!

Tracee Karaffa

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Really neat

I think this is really neat.

But I am disappointed with the nearly 20 years until it pays for itself. That is a long time.

I wonder what the payoff period is if a modest inflation factor for energy costs is taken into account. I suspect it is much shorter.

Also, why did you not opt for something like what is pictured in the link below? It looks like it might blend in with the architecture much better. (It looks like it is made for the kind of roof you have.)

http://www.dovetailsolar.com/insdgrfx/innovate.jpg

See also, http://www.dovetailsolar.com/unisol.htm

Savings..

One thing to consider is that several states already provides tax incentives (some up to 25K) so Ohio might be added to the list shortly (wishful thinking).

Also, as more Photovoltaic packages are sold, the cost should come down by 2010.

Here is a general link that provides various costs to on and off grid systems:

http://www.solarhome.org/solarhomekits.html

Edit: Oh and congrats on getting everything pass and in order as my wife and I were waiting on the results and hopefully we can move forward with solar panels as well.

Nuts

Great post. I'm nuts about you guys! Great work! I'm inspired.
singlepie (slightly unreal name...sorry)

Don't stop now....

How about installing solar panels at Bryn Du and the Village Offices? PUCO has proven that the power generated can be sold back to AEP. I actually think they(AEP) MUST buy it back. That would eliminate batteries.Perhaps requiring all new businesses to go GREEN would be something to think about.(River Road, Cherry Valley/Rt.16,Owens on RT.16?)
What a great statement that would be for Granville.

Don't stop now....

How about installing solar panels at Bryn Du and the Village Offices? PUCO has proven that the power generated can be sold back to AEP. I actually think they(AEP) MUST buy it back. That would eliminate batteries.Perhaps requiring all new businesses to go GREEN would be something to think about.(River Road, Cherry Valley/Rt.16,Owens on RT.16?)
What a great statement that would be for Granville.