Let's begin again
Even the best relationship sometimes hit a bump in the road. Like all married couples, my wife Donna and I occasionally get ticked at each other. Sometimes we truly disagree; other times it is a simple matter of miscommunication or an incorrect assumption. When this happens and frostiness fills the room, one of us will stop and simply say to the other…
“Let’s begin again.”
Sometimes we say those words immediately following the conflict. Other times it takes a few days for the words to be said.
Those words signal a willingness to put the issue behind us without further discussion or a willingness to sit down and talk about it in a constructive manner. We can do this because we’ve been married for 22 years and plan on being together for the foreseeable future.
Like it or not, the members of the village council, township trustees, and bloggers are going to be a part of each others lives for the foreseeable future. We can continue with the current pattern of unhealthy behavior or individuals within each of these groups can act in the spirit of…
“Let’s begin again.”
I’m not suggesting that we eat Thanksgiving dinner together or hold hands around a campfire singing Kum ba yah. However, being respectful and candid at the July 9th Township Trustees’ meeting would be a good place to begin working together for the good our community.
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Sigh.....
The discussion of the proposed OCPD at the trustees meeting went very badly from my perspective. I'm discouraged. Brian Miller attended so you can read about it in the Granville Sentinel.
You may be ignorant but not stupid
Hello nosey do-gooder bloggers. You are beginning your education. Real estate and Ohio Department of Development deals should be left to the professionals. Bill Habig knows the corridors of Ohio Department of Development as well as any professional I know. Despite bloggers and GP trying to stir the pot, the process is working quite well. No meaningful action or dialogue will ever take place in any public meeting. The role of public meetings is to pass resolutions on issues that have already been decided after hours of private phone calls and meetings.
All development deals take place in an environment that instills candor and confidence in the process and the people. Data based decision making (as opposed to inherit bias introduced by having unrelated parties in the conversation) always take place in PRIVATE settings.
Write your blogs. Have meetings on park benches. Listen intently and dialogue into the wee hours. After you have finished, the professionals will return to complete the deal as if you never existed.
LOL
At least one of the following is true:
1. You have not been long in Granville.
2. You are hoping people will fall for your fatalistic attitude and not continue to work for quality of life in the community.
Either way, you are kidding yourself.
Neither is true
1)Longtime resident and business owner.
2) People in Granville will continue to work for the benefit of the community.
You miss the point. Some people work effectively while others tilt at windmills. The well intentioned but misguided efforts involved in this thread are the latter.
Okay...
We differ in perspective, but okay.
Or maybe not...
I still have seen nothing on the Sentinel web site about the meeting.
However, the Granville Press does have a story at http://granvillepress.com/node/215
Christopher, just because a person or two seems to be disingenuous, do not let that reduce your energy or enthusiasm for helping the community to work through this. The truth will out.
Please don't let the
Please don't let the negative energy and occasional idiocy of others discourage you, Christopher. You're an inspiration to some (most)of us.
let's hear it, please
So what happened? I expected nothing from the Trustees and it appears they delivered. Facts appreciated, Christopher.
If you have the energy...
we'd appreciate your report, even if it's tomorrow. We appreciate your fact-finding and hard work, even if -- especially if! -- it deflates some our skepticism about the Trustees' actions.
Trustee question
The key question for the Trustees tonight is whether they will withdraw the portion of the grant application requesting $1 million for Southwest Licking sewers.
Their actions are what matter. This is truly a case when actions speak louder than words.
My meeting with Fred & Wes
I met separately with Wes Sargent and Fred Abraham on Monday. Fred & I spoke at his shop for about two hours. Wes and I spoke on a bench in front of the Windstream building on Broadway for about 45 minutes. They were very responsive to my questions and I appreciate their willingness to speak with me. When I listen to the explanation of how all this happened, it sounds very plausible. I believe they are honest men who did not lie to me. I also believe they genuinely have the best interests of Granville at heart and aren’t in the pocket of developers.
I also wish the trustees would have handled certain aspects of the OCPD differently. I wish they would have:
• made a public disclosure of the project prior to the Granville Press uncovering it.
• laid out the reasons why SWL appeared so prominently in the application.
• immediately expressed their desire to have the village supply sewer.
• foreseen how the grant application was likely to be interpreted.
Let me be clear. Hindsight is 20/20 and it is easy for Monday morning quarterbacks (including me) to criticize them.
I hope that writers for the Granville Press, the bloggers and the township trustees can figure out how to work together for the good of the community. Picking up the phone and asking for a face-to-face meeting would be a good place to start.
So in other words...
...all this hub-bub was over nothing. The Village and the Trustees are in concert with this grant request. Mayor Hartfield and Village Manager Holycross knew that there was a proposal for SWL sewers in the JRS grant request. This was done the way it was done because it had to be, for reasons none of you will understand (just like the trustees said coincidentally). And most importantly, the Granville Press has too much time on their hands and (like most media, traditional or digital) needs a controversy to satisfy their existence. Thanks for nothing GP.
too much time???
The GPress has too much time on its hands ,eh, cyclenut? You're on this site at least as much as anyone. I guess you get a break from pulling wings off of flies and burning ants with a magnifying glass when it rains like it has this last week.
You slay me
ct wrote:The GPress has too much time on its hands ,eh, cyclenut? You're on this site at least as much as anyone.
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ct wrote:I guess you get a break from pulling wings off of flies and burning ants with a magnifying glass when it rains like it has this last week.
Internet tough guy are we? Fine, you win the WLAN Super Lightweight Keyboard Championship belt. Are you proud that you stood up like a man to someone who disagrees with you on the interweb? Be sure to tell all your friends how e-tough you are!
Questions
Cyclenut-
Do you work for the Village? How do you know what the Mayor and Village Manager knew? How do you know when or if they have read the grant request? I certainly understand that there could be a number of reasons why SWL was listed as the prefered sewer provider. Using SWL, allowed the cost for sewer construction to be more than double what connecting to the Village sewer line would be thereby increasing the overall dollar request. This explanation would not be one that the application writers would want to admit, but hardly a reason that could not be understood by the public. The People have the right to question their elected officials. This website provides a fun place to do it. The Granville Press is a media source now. There is nothing but time for the providers.
Cyclenut and Buknut - A Question
Are you angry at everyone or is it just easier to be impolite to people behind your screen ID? I am interested in reading your position if I'm not being attacked by it. Common courtesy is a reflection of our character and how we want other people to treat us.
I submit to you
I believe it to be very unlikely that they didn't know, but I won't press the matter. I don't believe it would be productive. What I would suggest is searching the timeline of available public documents, reading the contents of both Village and Township minutes and information that has been on this site since January, and then make your own judgement. Or you could ask them point blank (has anyone?). They work for you as well as me.
I also don't believe I've attacked anyone personally on this site. Given the similarity of the screen IDs in question, are you sure you aren't mistaking my comments for someone else's? Besides, I can be much more impolite in person. If someone needs a spanking, see ct's post from today. Very ironic.
I agree
Thank you Cyclenut for you response. Your comments regarding ct's post are correct. It is very easy to submit comments that express a negative point-of-view when perhaps that is not the intension.
I have also found that when I do ask Village Council or Village staff about issues, they are often the last to know. They are also dealing with a wide array of issues everyday, not just focusing on one. However, I am skeptical of elected officials in general. I still have confidence in the honesty of most people in general, until they show their true colors.
Again, thank you Cyclenut for your candor. Somehow I bet your bark may be worse than your bite.
Precisely.
Precisely. If the GP, Hawkins etc reported on a Thanksgiving meal, it would have been featured as involuntary manslaughter followed by a holocaust. Too many cooks in the kitchen spoil the meal.
Explanation for behavior
Cyclenut said: "...all this hub-bub was over nothing."
I disagree. The grant application made it appear SWL was a in the driver's seat. People had a reason to be concerned. If the trustees had been more open, much of this could have been avoided. (It also could have been avoided had the GP picked up the phone and called the trustees to get a full explanation.)
Cyclenut says "This was done the way it was done because it had to be, for reasons none of you will understand"
I might be ignorant, but I'm not stupid. Please educate me using specifics that are applicable to this particular case. Failure to respond indicates you have no reasonable explanation or are unwilling to try to help us understand. Remember: "If you aren't a part of the solution, you are a part of the problem."
Christopher, perhaps I have
Christopher, perhaps I have spoke to soon. You said, "When I listen to the explanation of how all this happened, it sounds very plausible. I believe they are honest men who did not lie to me.". But then you did not detail what exactly the trustees were thinking by putting in the SWL sewer proposal. I don't take you as ignorant or stupid, but I do believe you may have been told the reason that the request was put in for SWL sewers. I also believe that the mayor also knew that the SWL sewer had prominence, but understood why it was there and still supported the overall proposal. Things like this have to be done a certain way.
There is a way about maximizing the chances of receiving a grant like this, really any grant when there are more hands out than there is money available. It's almost a dark art, if you will. I have many scientists in my family, have seen many grant requests, and have seen a lot of strange things in them. Your best chances of NOT getting the grant is to go online to a message board and explain why you just bullshitted the state. I apologize Christopher, but I don't think I can detail what I believe is going on with this grant request. Time only will have to illuminate.
Trustees and secrecy
Me again, Christopher.
The Trustees could not have done this had it been done openly. It has no support, politically or in the community's planning documents. Tactically, it was a must for Trustees to do it secretly.
Also, don't forget the Granville Press e-mailed the Trustees when it reported the news and all three Trustees provided responses that were reprinted unedited. Take a look at those responses in light of what's come out and you'll find why people put little credibility in what the Trustees say for public consumption.
My Meeting with the Tooth Fairy
I met with the tooth fairy Monday under a sugar maple tree near Pearl street. I was thrilled that she was willing to meet after a hard night delivering rewards following the snatching of teeth from underneath pillows. I was intrigued to learn of her travel plans and nightly rituals. My primary concern centered around the total funds deposited beneath pillows per household. As many readers of this blog might recall, there has been considerable misunderstanding regarding the fair and reasonable costs of dollars versus dimes based upon the addresses, political leanings or other perceived favors extended to the tooth fairy over the years.
I was impressed to learn that the tooth fairy has held public meetings at St Luke's Episcopal Church, Denison University Field House and The Granvile Inn. Now that I understand that during this essential information gathering period, the tooth fairy needed to suspend her productive activities for six months, I can now explain to the children why there was no money left underneath the pillow, since the tooth fairy had more important public input work to complete.
From hereforth, I am pleased to report that the tooth fairy uses shape and tooth size criteria to determine the amount left under the pillow. While she did show me a very detailed size and shape chart for my personal review, she is unwilling to post it on a blog at this time. I regret that this will no doubt be the source of continuing debate throughout the community to discuss if she truly has the best interests of greater Granville at heart. (Perhaps she is sneaking the children from Pataskala extra -- who knows?!)
I will keep everyone posted on this developing saga as more meetings are scheduled.
My meeting with the village manager and asst. village manager
I met today with Village Manager Don Hollycross and Village Finance Director/Assistant Village Manager Molly Roberts in the village office.
They were very responsive to my questions and I appreciate their willingness to speak with me. I believe they are working effectively and efficiently with the trustees for the benefit of the community.
The reasons for my meeting were:
• Get the facts regarding the timing of the trustees’ requests and the village's responses.
• Encourage them to work with the village elected officials to make even more clear and public, the village’s desire to supply sewer to the proposed development.
They provided me with the following information:
May 6 -
Trustee Bill Habig called Village Manager Don Hollycross and asked in village to write a letter by Friday indicating the Village’s willingness to supply water and sewer to the proposed development.
Trustee Wes Sargent asked someone (Mayor Melissa Hartfield?) for a letter of supporting the grant application
May 7 -
The village manager prepared a draft letter intended to satisfy the requests from both trustees. He sent it to the mayor and law director for review. He then sent it out to the village council with a request for feedback by Thursday.
May 9 -
The mayor and village manager signed the letter Friday morning and in the afternoon sent it to Poggemeyer Design Group. (It was sent by either fax or email.)
June 6 -
Village Finance Director/Assistant Village Manager Molly Roberts attended the Job Ready Sites presentation for the executive committee of the District 17 integrating committee. In attendance were Wes Sargent, OC project manager Jim Eckert & Poggemeyer representative Phil Honsey. Wes, Jim, and Phil all indicated that they prefer that the village of Granville supply sewer to the site. Speaking on behalf of the village, Molly indicated the village supports supplying sewer.
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Later in the meeting I learned that the the village is drafting an ordinance? (or resolution) making very clear and very public their desire to provide sewer to the site. Their hope is that this will be ready and acted upon at the July 16 village council meeting.
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My comments:
The village was extremely responsive to the trustees requests. The trustees request was made May 6 and they received a formal response on May 9. In approximately 72 hours the response was drafted, reviewed by legal and village council and sent. Nice work!
I wasn't aware that on June 6 the trustees, OC and the consultant all publicly declared their desire that the village supply sewer. This is great news that I wish I had known earlier.
I still haven't had a chance to talk to Bill Habig to determine when SWL was contacted about the proposed development.
The village, township and Owens Corning all want the village to supply sewer to the proposed development. We are all pulling together on this, so let's make it happen.
Trustee Rhetoric
Christopher,
The operative word here is "prefer." There's no doubt that the Village "can" do it, "wants" to do it, "has spent" large sums to prepare to do it and is "supposed" to do it based on the community's Comprehensive Plan, the 208 plan and four decades of policy.
"Prefer" is merely an expression of hope that the Village will meet the developer's terms, for that is who the Trustees represent. If the Village won't meet the terms, then SWL will. If the Trustees put Granville residents first, they would prefer that the developer meet the community's terms -- as set forth in the Comprehensive Plan, 208 plan, etc. -- or the developer should proceed without sewer.
If the Village didn't follow the Comprehensive Plan, that would be another story. But it's the Trustees breaking the rules and offering fake comfort that they "prefer" the Village. I "prefer" peace in Iraq, an end to cancer and $1 a gallon gas with no pollution. I find "prefer" to be little more than cynical posturing by elected officials who got caught trying to impose a policy the community opposes.
Remember that the Trustees got a letter from SWL promising to supply sewer on May 2 -- before they even asked the Village for a letter. Remember that in September 2007, Trustee Habig met secretly with SWL to ask if it would bring sewer to River Road and Main Street -- at a retail developer's request. (The Granville Press broke that story too and as far as I know, the Trustees have never commented on it -- as if reality does not exist.) Habig said explicitly in an email to Trustee Sargent that he preferred SWL so Trustees could control sewer.
So forgive me for putting little weight on the Trustees claim to "prefer" Granville sewers. The Trustees' actions speak louder than their words. 1) They secretly try to get SWL in 2007. 2) Trustee Habig secretly says in an email that's their preference. 3) They ask SWL for sewers first on the Owens Corning grant, then ask the Village later (an afterthought or political cover?) 4) They make no announcement of what they're doing it and initially deny it. 5) Trustee Habig then blames the Village for making the Trustees' "prefer" SWL in the official grant application because the Village was supposedly tardy in writing its letter of support -- a claim that appears to be false. 6) Trustees refuse to withdraw the $1 million request for state money to bring SWL to town, even though they supposedly want the Village to provide sewers.
In every step of this story, the Village has been straightforward, professional and played for a dupe. The Trustees have been secretive, disingenuous and downright inaccurate in their claims. The Trustees have adjusted their rhetoric only when caught with their hands in the cookies jar and have refused to withdraw the request for SWL funding despite their new soft and fuzzy rhetoric. Golly, why wouldn't I trust those people?
My friends and I have been holding off sending a letter opposing the Owens grant hoping this could be worked out (thanks to Christopher). Heck, maybe the Village did go months without responding, we thought. We should have known it's foolish to believe anything Habig says. And Wes and Fred ...it seems they have little more to say than we're good guys, trust us -- as if this is a high school popularity contest -- we prefer the Blue Aces but we may have to give the playbook to the other side.
So out goes our letter of opposition -- the four Horsemen we call outselves. Maybe four old-timers can get the Trustees what they claim to "prefer" (Granville sewers) since the Trustees don't know how to match actions with rhetoric.
Open Discussion at Hawkins' home Tuesday 7:30pm - 9:30
You are invited to come to 3800 Raccoon Valley Road on Tuesday July 8 from 7:30 - 9:30 for an informal gathering. The goal is to discuss ideas on how the bloggers, trustees and village council can better work to together to meet our shared goals. The only requirements for attending are:
• Respectful candor
• Willingness to work with anyone who is interested in preserving the good things about Granville and bringing business to Granville that enhances the quality of the community.
This will not be fancy. We will have iced tea, lemonade, water and diet Coke. If the weather is too hot or rainy, we’ll go inside where it is air conditioned. Otherwise we’ll be outside.
If you are coming, please let me know by responding in the blog, calling 587-1070 or emailing me hawkins4gevs@windstream.net. I realize this is short notice so if you can't make tomorrow, but would be interested in a similar gathering at another time let me know.
Would love to, but can't
Christopher,
Very nice invitation, but I only drink regular coke.
Seriously, I have a prior commitment. But thanks for working to get discussions focused on real issues and solutions.
ot
Nosey do gooders are now flood plain experts
Cmon Chris, you know better than to stick your nose where you have no formal training, no practical experience and no dog in the fight. Leave FEMA maps and private developers to resolve their own issues without nosey do-gooders to "assist" them.
I did my MS in flood plain creation
buknut: I'm kidding, but you couldn't know that. :-)
flood zones
Christopher, Here's a link to the story about the developer seeking to build in what is now classified as a flood plain on two separate parcels -- on Weaver Road (across from Creno's) and on River Road/Main Street (the Shurtz property.
http://www.newarkadvocate.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080613/NEWS01...
Don't change the FEMA flood zone map
Changing the map is a rotten idea and should be opposed.
Nosey do gooders
Too many cooks in the kitchen spoil the meal as my grandmother would say. The OC water/development issue has too many cooks in the kitchen. The only people who have any business putting this project together are those with MONEY in the deal and our elected officials. Everyone else should stay out of their way.
Chris Hawkins and do-gooders of his ilk should stay on the sidelines and let people who actually have capital at risk dictate the terms of the deal. Chris and too many other Granville do-gooders have no dog in this fight, live in areas far removed from the project and would love to dictate how others spend THEIR money.
Stay home and fight with your wife. You have a dog in that fight.
Spare me,please.....
Stop calling people names....'do-gooders" and "of his ilk"...have some respect for others opinions.Do you ever talk to REAL people in PERSON? You sound like someone who lives in his mom's basement.
"Nosey do gooders?"
buknut says.."The only people who have any business putting this project together are those with MONEY in the deal and our elected officials."
I do have money in the deal. I pay property taxes.
• Each new dwelling that is built and contains school children will increase my taxes or reduce the available money per student. Both of these bad.
• Each potentially property tax paying business that is desirable for the community which chooses to build somewhere else because of miscommunication regarding the village’s willingness to provide sewer service is bad.
Both of these things directly impact my personal financial well being. These things also affect every other tax payer in the school district. Why shouldn’t I and rest of the taxpayers be involved?
On a broader level, secrecy in matters such as this usually leads to mischief.
Clarification - What is money in the deal
Granville was made great by visionary leaders who were willing to put their own capital at risk to build a better community. The key point is CAPITAL AT RISK. Tax dollars involuntarily extracted from citizens and invariably inefficiently consumed do not rise to the level of "at risk" capital. While nosey do gooders have every right to participate in sideline dialogue regarding the proper stewardship of their tax dollars, until the nosey do gooders put their own capital AT RISK they have no dog in this fight. (Translation for the Hawkins crowd, this means they have no money in the deal.) Taxpayer dollars are necessary, but do not compare with the risk and rights of those who put their own money at risk. Taxpayers (especially in Granville) will no doubt participate in endless (and largely meaningless) dialogue about what is good for Granville. At the end of the day, those with capital at risk will be the only ones at the table making the decisions that matter.
Capital at risk includes all properties in the community
Hard to tell where to start here...
There are a number of factors that have made Granville great. Capital is one factor and democracy is another. Capital, while important, has never been the sole factor.
It is now well recognized that part of the capital at risk is the value of all properties in the community as they can be impacted by land use elsewhere in the community. You can swing your fists around all you want, but you are limited when you might harm someone else. The same is true with land use. You can only use your land to the extent to which others are not harmed.
Ever since the Supreme Court's decision in the Euclid case local communities have had the power to regulate land use to promote, among other things, the general welfare. General welfare includes impact on property values and quality of life in the community at large.
Under our system of democracy, even mere homeowners can work to protect and enhance the capital investment in their property. Granville residents' history of doing so is a large factor in why Granville has the high quality of life and high property values it does today.
Euclid case
Ambler v Euclid (1926) only legitimized zoning. Interstingly, the parcel of land the locals so badly wanted to protect (and did for 20 years) is now an abandoned GM Fisher body plant. Rather than an appropriate use of the land as proposed by Ambler Realty in 1926, they now have vacant, largely unusable parcel. Nosey do-gooders in 1926 doomed the area to misuse (but they won their Supreme Court case). If the nosey do-gooders chase away the private developers, the Owens plant will decay into another abandoned industrial site.
How would using Granville sewer "chase away developers?"
Please explain why the following would chase away reasonable and responsible private developers.
• Granville village supplies sewer.
• Residential buildings are not allowed.
• R&D, light industrial & offices are allowed.
• 50 /50 split of cost to extend the line from Kendal to OC
I’m having difficulty understanding how anything above would chase away reasonable and responsible private developers.
Are you of the mind that developers should pay nothing for infrastructure upgrades necessitated by their development?
Do you believe that development decisions should take account the cost/benefit to the developer AND the cost/benefit to the community?
Chasing away developers
Sewers attract developers. Nosey do-gooders chase away developers. Leave this project to the professionals and stay home.
get a grip..
people of Granville don't want the development that's being proposed.Move to Westerville or Dublin if that's the type of community you want.We're fine with out Starbucks or Hoggy's.Just take your mean spirited attitude with you.
faux capitalism
What's interesting is that this discussion started about an effort to have the state taxpayers pay $5 million to do what a capitalist should demand they do on their own -- build a sewer line, tear down buildings, etc.
Taxpayers don't just have a dog in this fight. They are the dog -- or the pork, if you're a purist like Buknut.
Likewise, Buknut thinks his capitalists are entitled to use the capital invested by taxpayers for sewer systems and roads without the owners of those investments having a say or proper compensation (determined, of course, by the owners). This entitlement mentality is weakening the moral fiber of our nation. This (corporate) welfare mentality -- propagated by socialistic thinkers like Buknut and his fellow travelers -- is a threat to our Great Nation.
Never rely solely on wikipedia...the real Ambler v. Euclid
Ah, the dangers of wikipedia...
Ambler v. Euclid delayed the very problem you write about.
Ambler Realty wanted to use the parcels involved for industrial purposes. Euclid wanted to prevent industrial use of parcels that would encroach upon the city of Euclid's neighborhoods.
Unfortunately, over time the elected officials of the city of Euclid caved into the industrial interests. Hence, they today have yet another abandoned industrial site.
If you would like to truly understand the fact pattern, I would recommend using the following link:
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=272&invol=...
Taxpayer's Bill of Rights -- controlling sewers
As a practical matter, taxpayers own the utility systems involved. Taxpayers own the roads involved. Taxpayers own the schools involved. Etc. Taxpayers would be derelict to ignore the issues that are fundamental to self-government. Indeed, it would be a breech of elected officials fiduciary duty to fail to strike a deal that benefits all taxpayers to the maximum extent.
Buknut's honesty is refreshing: To him, this is a deal between people with money and a few elected officials. The people who elected the officials don't count. The people on the other side of the transaction from the property owner has no dog in the fight. This attitude is why we have $10,000 campaign contributions. The fact that virtually nobody here agrees with this view is why we have Granville.
Yesman has it right - Taxpayers own the systems involved
Buknut's comment was so "unusual," I wonder if it was a troll. I hope so.
for real?
I thought the same thing, Christopher. Buknut seemed like a fake comment.
If Village says yes to sewer, would you support them?
Let's do a thought experiment...
If the village council on July 16th approved a resolution that the village would provide sewer to the OC development under the following conditions would you support them being the provider....
• No residential development
• Only light industrial, R&D or offices
• 50 / 50 shared cost for the line extension
If not, under what conditions would you support the village being the provider?
We have heard a lot of NO, NO, NO. What will it take to get to YES?
I'd very much like to hear from everyone who has participated in this discussion.
Yes
Yes, if there was only light industrial, R&D, offices, with no residential or other commercial (i.e., let's just stick with the ones that give off good tax revenue and avoid retail and the like that don't pay as well).
I am not certain what you mean with respect to a 50/50 shared cost for the line extension. Do you mean shared 50/50 between the township and the village? Or 50/50 between the village and the developer? Why wouldn't we just cover the entire cost (probably less than $300,000 plus whatever is necessary to reimburse Kendal) by shifting over part of the money in the grant application that it was going to cost to extend the Southwest Licking lines?
I meant 50/50 between village and OC
Thanks for pointing out the ambiguity.
I like the idea of having the grant cover the costs.
And thanks for supporting the village supporting sewer to OC under the conditions above. I was nearly certain you would, but it is useful to remove any doubt.
The Hawkins Compromise --let's do it!
Christopher,
If these were the terms, the Village would almost certainly do it. Terms, No. 1 and 2 are definitely a yes. On term No. 3, generally, it's the developer who pays the cost, but the cost is so small given the importance of terms No. 1 and 2, it's a subsidy that is more than fair. Granville residents (village and township) have always been willing to spend large amounts of money to defend our schools and the nature of our community.
The problem is that OC and the Trustees are unlikely to agree to it because this isn't really about R&D and light industrial. It's about residential and retail. In a way, you're calling their bluff, asking them to make binding what is being said publicly.
I hope it happens. It would have my total support. What I suspect would happen is that an agreement with all types of "out" clauses and exceptions is created, rendering the agreement meaningless. Then, the Trustees (and cyclenut) renew the cycle of blaming the Village because it won't sign a swiss cheese agreement.
I hope I'm wrong. I admire your optimism and lack of cynicism.
Let's do it. OC limits the property's use to light industrial and R&D, and the property gets sewer with the Village paying half the cost. Heck, I say make the Village pay the whole cost!
Don't mistake my desires
I think it would be awesome if this would happen. I'd even go so far to say that this is also what the trustees would like to see (regardless of the Southwest Licking Sewer request). But as you say, you have the issue of the extremely valuable Owens Corning land. Owens is a publicly traded corporation. Good intentions aside, they have an obligation to shareholders to make the most amount of money possible. Put another way, regardless of how much they may care for the community, they are required (by SEC law) to maximize profit. Is light industrial and R&D the most profitable use for the land? Probably not.
One last question, because this would be the deal breaker for OC. Does this compromise include annexing the OC into the Village?
Annexation not required
In my mind annexation is not required.
For me the times when annexation makes sense are:
1. to protect the schools by fending off Newark or other outside threat
2. when the land is already adjoining village boundaries and the intensity of use and demand for services is relatively high (for example, with the River Road / Weaver Road area where a mixed use residential/retail/office development is likely)
Christopher, thanks again for your efforts on trying to get this collectively thought out and worked through.